peliom ([info]peliom) wrote,
@ 2005-12-11 13:15:00
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Entry tags:imap, mail.app, osx

Mail.app still sucks, four years later
When we were shipping Mac OS X (Cheetah) in 2001, Apple Management mandated that engineers use Mail.app for all email. It was terrible. Mail was crashing all the time, losing data, and just generally being un-cooperative. Productivity was in the toilet.

Now nearly five years later Mail.app is still a dog. My use case can't be that far off from the typical power user: I have one IMAP account for work, and one IMAP account for personal email. I want to access them both from any Macintosh. But this turns out to be difficult to set up, as it takes an fair amount of configuration for both accounts (and this config is stored on the client) and caching messages...don't get me started. I have a moderate amount of email (a 100MB or so) and Mail's caching algorithm locks up when trying to deal with it. Now that it has *finally* downloaded all my messages (took about a day) things have calmed down and Mail is usable.

But Mail.app doesn't respect the IMAP subsription list? WTF guys? so now have two mail folders "probablyspam" and "reallyspam" that I keep around for various reasons, not least in case something important gets dropped into the spam folders. Mail.app helpfully downloads all gazillion of these messages and gives no mechanism to say "stop fucking downloading all these messages I don't care about!!!"



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mutt
(Anonymous)
2005-12-11 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Have I mentioned that mutt is the least sucky mail user agent?

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Re: mutt
(Anonymous)
2006-11-13 04:35 pm UTC (link)

I love mutt, but I had to leave it.
There's something fundamentally bad about console-base MUAs,
and that is that you can't go hunting for other mail while viewing
or composing a message. I'm often writing a message and need
to look things up in other messages. The single-task nature of
the console MUAs forbids this. In a GUI mail app, ANY GUI mail app,
you can compose a message in one window while using the main
window to search old messages and copy snippets from them.

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Re: mutt
[info]triple_entendre
2007-06-12 03:48 am UTC (link)
I use 'screen' to launch another virtual console if I need to do this, and I flip back and forth (ctrl-a, ctrl-a). Or, if I need them both on the screen at once, I can just run another copy of 'mutt' in another window. If I'm especially wanting to be careful I can hit % (I think) so it doesn't try to write to a file at the same time, but it wouldn't really matter even if it did; mutt uses lockfiles.

It's probably even possible to set mutt up so that it does all that automatically when you start composing a message. Hey, that sounds interesting. Maybe I'll try that!

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